This episode of The Veil Between explores the current wave of UFO disclosure and what these "unidentified" phenomena truly mean for your spiritual and Christian walk. Hosts Guy Quintero and Danica Simone look past the mainstream media headlines to address the growing confusion and fear surrounding extraterrestrial life, grounding the discussion in biblical prophecy and the warning of a coming "great deception".
Whether you are struggling to reconcile new information with your faith or feeling lost in the noise of misinformation, we provide a "plan of attack" to safeguard your sanity and stay focused on the ultimate truth. You don't have to navigate these shifting skies alone. Join us as we bridge the gap between ancient scripture and modern disclosure to find peace in a chaotic world.
Transcript & Show Notes
00:00 - Why UFO Disclosure is a Spiritual Crisis
Guy Quintero: There's a place where the living and the dead trade whispers.
Danica Simone: Where shadows don't just follow, they watch.
Guy: Where one thin barrier holds back what waits on the other side.
Simone: You've stepped into…
Guy & Simone: The Veil Between.
Simone: What you're about to hear drifts between fact, belief, and the unknown. The Veil Between is for entertainment purposes only.
Guy: Our stories, research, and experiences are our own, not medical, legal, or professional advice.
Simone: So step carefully and remember…
Guy & Simone: The choice to believe is always yours.
Simone: Welcome back to the Veil Between podcast family. Hope everyone's having a great day, great week.
Guy: It's been a very spooky and interesting week.
Simone: There's a lot going on, and we're going to cover everything. We bumped this up. We were like, we really have to address this.
Guy: Yeah. We actually had a lot of fun episodes with helping people with their, you know, spiritual growth and practitioner learning and experience. But this one takes precedence because we have to we have to get out there and try to promote the truth before the bad guys put out their lies.
Simone: Absolutely. So this week has been crazy. This week, last week, has been really crazy with all of the you know, the disclosure happening and a lot of misinformation, a lot of misinformation. A lot of people are posting videos on YouTube, TikTok, wherever. And you really have to be careful of where you get your information from. Always take everything with a grain of salt and do your own research because I'm finding that, yeah, this stuff looks cool, and it grabs your attention, and I'm like, that doesn't sound right. And as I started digging into it, to see if there was any validity behind the claims, turns out it was misinterpreted or just misinformation. A lot of speculation, but stated as fact.
01:47 - Spiritual Discernment in the Age of Lies
Guy: The government, well, no surprise there, is utilizing a lot of your pastors, community leaders, and also influential speakers, and influential podcasters, TikTok channels, they're utilizing all of that to help try to control the narrative and also to sow confusion, especially amongst people in the spiritual community. So, you gotta keep your eyes open for that, because there's a lot of subterfuge transpiring right now.
And the Bible warns us about that. The Bible warns us of the coming of the Great Deception, and it's been transpiring for a very long time, where they're going to try to get as many people as possible to transfer their worldview into the worldview that they desire to destroy your perception of the world, which would inevitably destroy your faith and drive you over into the world that they want to recreate. And I do mean recreate, but we'll get into that later.
Simone: So we’re going to talk about, I do think that there is control opposition, a lot of it.
Guy: Yes.
Simone: But also, I think with the way we are on social media and everything, I think a lot of people are just doing it for clicks and views, so they're just repeating everything they hear.
Guy: Yeah.
Simone: And without doing their own research. So they're stating things like fact just because they heard somebody else say, and that's how misinformation gets spread around. I can see very quickly if it goes unchecked that this will lead to panic. This will lead to leading people astray because of assumptions. So these are our opinions. This is based off of our research.
Guy: A lot of research. You should, you know, double-check us.
Simone: Yeah. We're not saying that what we say is the end-all, be-all, and it's factual. We're saying this is what we did our research on, and if you have any interest in it or further questions, go do your own research, make your own conclusions.
Guy: I personally, I use the Bible as my main compass. There's truths in other things, but the Bible is the main compass when it comes to being a magician of the right-handed path, and if anything counters that or doesn't build upon that in a way that I find beneficial, I toss it out. You might not agree with what we're going to say today, and that's fine, but we strongly advise everyone do their own research thoroughly. And it's very important that you, you know, set time aside to do that, because the coming deception can cost you more than just what you're going to initially anticipate. This is a battle for souls and for consciousness.
Simone: Well said. Okay. So we're not doing questions today because we have so much to cover. There's so much going on over this last week alone. We’re pretty much going to skip that and do a very short outro, like very short housekeeping. So let's just jump into it. Ready?
04:28 - The Bank of England’s Hidden Warning
Simone: Like I said, I saw a lot of stuff going around the internet. I saw one person post a video with clips, news clips, okay, on the Bank of England. That the Bank of England warned the people that, depending on what comes out in the disclosure, America’s disclosure, that it could result in inevitable financial chaos and the collapse of the economy. So again, the headline, I think this person didn't read it correctly. I know headlines are supposed to be catchy and grab your attention, and it's kind of, they trick you. So she read the headline wrong and took the wrong conclusion. So read the article, and you'll see a little bit more of what's happening. So I went ahead, I found two news sources that were talking about this. And also, this person who did this video made it sound like this just happened. This just came out, and it did not. It came out in January, so four to five months ago.
So, The New York Post did an article, this is their headline: “Bank of England warned to have plan for inevitable financial chaos if alien existence is confirmed.” Now, she took the assumption that that word ‘warned’ was that the bank was doing the warning, but it's actually the opposite. An expert was warning the bank that they need to prepare and have contingencies in place in case chaos ensues.
Simone: So, the second article is from The Independent, again, came out in January, actually came out before The New York Post, and their headline was: “Bank of England must plan for a financial crisis triggered by aliens says former policy expert. Financial markets could collapse if the American government confirms the existence of alien life.”
“Helen McCaw, who served as a senior analyst in financial security at the UK’s central bank, has written to Andrew Bailey, the Bank of England’s governor, urging him to set out contingencies in case the White House ever confirms the existence of alien life. Ms McCaw, who worked for the Bank of England for 10 years until 2012, said politicians and bankers can no longer afford to dismiss talk of alien life, and warned a declaration of this nature could trigger bank collapses. She reportedly said: The United States government appears to be partway through a multi-year process to declassify and disclose information on the existence of a technologically advanced non-human intelligence responsible for Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAPs). If the UAP proves to be of non-human origin, we may have to acknowledge the existence of a power or intelligence greater than any government and with potentially unknown intentions.”
07:31 - How the Elite Manipulate the Narrative
Guy: And this goes back to what we literally were warning about at the beginning of the show, subturfuge. So individuals are trying to get you to panic sell. If you're an investor, I'm an investor. I listened to that a lot differently than a lot of other people, but I also have an understanding and grounding, and training in investing that the average person doesn't have, thanks to my family and mentor. And your husband's really good at investing, too, so he'd probably agree with this. But there are a lot of vultures out there who are going to try to take advantage of you during this situation.
People who try to make money, hedge funds, things like that, banks, other investors that are unscrupulous, they are going to lie to you, try to get you to panic sell whatever positions you might have. To cash out in order to drive the prices down so they can pick up the prices low. And then once you realize that life's still going to go on, you buy back in at a higher price, thus bumping up their profits. So it's always about trying to cause fear and panic.
Fear is one of their greatest tools; this is the reason why one of the unknown tangibles that they speak about in investing is called conviction. Hold your position. How much do you believe in what you're investing in? Are you gonna panic once someone starts hopping on TikTok and talking about false information? This is very important to people out there who might be investing. So if you are investing, my advice to you is don't panic sell. Just because someone says, “Oh no, everything's gonna collapse if aliens come out.” It’s not. Life's gonna go on. You guys are still gonna go to your nine-to-five. Nothing's gonna change. So don't let them trick you into destroying your future, or it wouldn’t necessarily destroy it, but it would set it back. Right? Set back a possibility of an early retirement or hitting a big boom that could get your family a nice nest egg. So this is a perfect example of what we were talking about. Thank you, Simone.
Simone: Yeah, it’s reminiscent à la Y2K.
Guy: Yeah.
Simone: Everyone thought it was the end of the world. And then the next day we had to go to work.
Guy: I remember that, Y2K. Also, there was another panic in the 80s, a really bad one, and a lot of people sold out of tech stocks and computers. Apple went down to like 27 cents a share, something ridiculous like that. And there are very unscrupulous individuals out there who are trying to convince you to give up your position so they can get a lower position. Cause I guarantee you, once you sell your stocks and millions of people start panic selling, stock hits rock bottom, the same individuals that told you guys to sell will be buying up the stock once it hits that bottom. And then everyone's going to realize when the smoke clears, “Oh, it's not that bad. Let me buy back in. Oh wait, the price is higher than when I initially had first invested, but this guy who told me that I should be scared bought all the shares at the lowest price possible.” So be very careful, this once again goes back to understanding that people are going to try to take advantage of this situation at your cost.
Simone: And then, just for the people who read that and were like, well, yeah, there would be chaos, mass chaos if aliens, you know, touched down and start talking to us, and interacting with us, or announce like, actually announce their presence to us. Yeah, I think there would be, I mean, there's still obviously that strong potential of people freaking out, mass chaos, not knowing how are we going to react?
Guy: Well, here's how I’d look at it…
Simone: Are they going to be peaceful? Are they going to try to enslave us? Are they going to try to kill us?
Guy: They're going to be... They'll probably start peaceful unless we do something egregious to them. But, more than likely, if anything, this is going to set tech stocks up for a big boom if we start, especially if they start sharing technology with us. If they do that, it's going to set up for a big boom. That's why I think this is a big opportunity. So remember what Warren Buffett says, when it comes to investing, “Be greedy when others are fearful, be fearful when others are greedy.” And that recipe has always worked for me.
Simone: In more than just finances.
Guy: Yeah.
Simone: Yeah, but like if they came and were hostile?
Guy: Oh, that's a different story. Though that would still be good for the stock market.
Simone: But that would be a massive collapse, that would cause a collapse.
Guy: No, it wouldn't. I think military stocks would go through the roof. And tech stocks.
Simone: Yes, but also don't you think people would hide out in their house? They wouldn't go to work.
Guy: I think people would be a little fearful. Yeah, but I think military stocks, tech stocks, those would go through the roof. If something like that happened, oh yeah, you would get rich real fast off the military and tech stocks because we got to fight them. So these companies need money. Investments going to pour into them. So I would say either way, it's good.
People who are gonna panic sell, not planning for the future, they're gonna be the ones that miss out. This has been the history of the stock market since it was first created. So everyone panics, they sell out, the people who hold usually end up getting the most in the end. So, don’t let them scare you guys. They're gonna be all over TikTok, all over YouTube, “Oh my God, sell, be scared.” Don't sacrifice your future because of fear.
Simone: Right. What do you guys think? If they announce themselves, do you think that it would be friendly? Do you think it would be mass chaos? Do you think they would be hostile?
Guy: I think they're going to be friendly because they're going to try to come at us benevolently. And in a sense where they're our saviors and our creators. But we're going to get into that soon.
Simone: Like wolf in sheep's clothing.
Guy: Yeah, that's what they did before.
Simone: They got to be smarter than us and more cunning, so, you know…
Guy: I mean, you know, humanity is extremely violent and warlike. If united together, what the Bible says, if humanity unites, there's nothing that humanity cannot achieve. This is the reason why the people, the controllers, the forces of darkness want us to be divided on almost every issue. Because if we're united, there's nothing we can't do. And God even pronounced that at the beginning of the Bible, during the issue of the Tower of Babel. And so, because of that, they're always trying to promote an idea of separatism, both physically and mentally.
13:11 - Congress Secretly Briefed Pastors
Simone: That’s a good transition, honestly, because the next thing that popped up was that Congress held a meeting with pastors, you know, nationally, pastors from all over.
Guy: A lot of the more prominent theologians?
Simone: Yeah, and told them, “Okay, this disclosure is coming out, be prepared to tell your flock, your followers, your church… Be prepared to know what to tell them. Before I did the research on it, I was like, okay, if this is true, that just kind of proves what we've been saying. That the church is corrupt.
Guy: Yeah.
Simone: Here, the government is telling the church how to respond. What to say.
Guy: The church has been corrupt for a very long time, yeah.
Simone: But, here’s what came out. The first thing I saw, I don't know the order per se, but the first thing I saw was that Pastor Perry Stone went on his YouTube channel and said, “I heard from another pastor that he was in this conference and this is what they said.” And honestly, listening to what Perry Stone had to say, he was very much saying, “They’re not aliens, they're demons and fallen angels.” He's like, “I've been talking about this forever.” Kind of gave me vibes like David Icke. You know? He was saying, “I've been saying this since the 90s.”
Guy: He’s right.
Simone: “Everyone has been saying I'm crazy all this time, that I'm just a kook.” And he called it, he goes, “I need to be really careful with what I say, because people are going to take what I say, splice it up, make it into their own sound bites. And it's going to be misinformation real quick.”
Guy: Oh, yeah.
Simone: And that is what happened. Then I saw a video of another pastor who came out, and I don't know if this is the pastor that Perry Stone got his information from, or if this is like a totally different pastor, Pastor Larry Ragland. So, he actually came out, said some outlandish stuff, and then was called out by the congressman, and then he issued an apology and clarified some things.
Simone: So this is from an article I pulled, “Pastor and Larry Ragland has apologized after suggesting that a Missouri congressman told church leaders in a private meeting that aliens created humanity and invented Christianity. ‘On speakerphone, this sitting, powerful member of Congress said... They are preparing to tell us that they are from another dimension, that they are our creator, and that these beings—these aliens, whatever you want to call them—they were the ones that seeded us here, there is no such thing as God, Jesus was invented by them, the Bible was invented by them,’ Ragland said. ‘In this video, I stated that a congressman from Missouri had called in to speak to the pastors. And of course, it's being revealed now that this is Congressman Eric Burlison,’ Ragland said. ‘He did call in. But he called in to encourage us and to thank us pastors for the work that we're doing.’ Ragland said he had mistakenly blended his own opinions into his account of the meeting.”
And then, Newsweek reported that “Republican Representative Eric Burlison of Missouri—who is among the more outspoken voices in Congress on the topic of UFO disclosure—responded to the clip on X: ‘I would remind people to listen to what I have already stated publicly. Which is basically the following: I do NOT know what the strange objects in the skies are and I certainly do NOT know their origins. I was asked to call in by phone to a conference/meeting of theologians.’ He added: ‘I could not tell you all that was said at that meeting because I was not there and did not hear much of what was said. When I had a chance to speak, I expressed my views which is that we Christians tend to get dug into our personal world views even if they have nothing to do with what has actually been written in the Bible.’”
Talk about like just a wild ride that was. Initially, the claims were that the congressman invited the pastors to this meeting and told them you have to prepare your flock, you have to know what you're gonna say, what to tell them. Congressman then came out and said, “No, it was the theologians that held a conference, and they asked me to call in and give a few words.”
Guy: I don't even know who to believe anymore.
Simone: I don't know who to believe either.
Guy: I think both sides are lying. It doesn't really matter.
17:48 - The Great Deception: A Biblical Warning
Guy: What you have to understand is that this is part of the Great Deception that the Bible warned us about. A lot of lies, a lot of things are going to be flying through the air. Use the Bible and scripture. So, the Book of Enoch, this is the reason why it was removed, because Enoch warned us that this would happen again. These fallen angels were going to come back and pretend that they’re our gods and that they created us. They did it before, and they tricked humanity into complacency and compliance. And now they're doing it again. It's the same exact story; the devil has no new tricks. The fallen angels are going to pretend to be extraterrestrials. Right?
The demons, they're demon offspring, and creations are going to be flying around in their spaceships, pretending to be their servants and other races and all of that. All this stuff has been primed into your thoughts through science fiction that we've seen on television and movies, through the ancient astronaut theory, all of this stuff. It's all lies. It's just history that’s been misinterpreted and put into this deception, this Great Deception, this idea of what we have in our world that we're just a rock floating in space surrounded by other rocks floating in space. That's a lie. This is all designed to make you seem insignificant to control your mind.
Simone: That's really funny because that's what Giorgio says. That “everything has been misinterpreted, and what they say is angels and demons, is aliens.”
Guy: Giorgio acts like ancient humanity was like…
Simone: Stupid?
Guy: Dragging our knuckles on the ground and scratching our butts.
Simone: So it must have been aliens.
Guy: Unable to tell our heads from our butts, and, you know, his idea of humanity is… No, clearly not. Because what he likes to ignore is the fact that the Book of Enoch and a lot of the missing books of the Bible, and we'll go to other faiths too, because, like Rob Skiba says, you can find truth in other areas. And other faiths talk about great technology. So clearly, our people weren't that stupid, right?
Simone: Yeah.
Guy: They had access to this technology. They were utilizing it. Right? So, they spoke about this technology. They knew what they were looking at. He tries to pretend like everyone had a negative IQ and we're all just scratching our heads and staring… No, we were very intelligent. People knew, they put these things into stone because they were warning future generations this could happen again. That’s one of the reasons why that dude really upsets me, because he tries to write off humanity as unable to think for themselves. No, the stories have always been there.
The stories have always been there. He's the one misinterpreting it. And he's misinterpreting because he's an agent trying to trick everyone into following the agenda, the Great Deception. So keep that in mind, guys, that there's a lot of deception out there. A lot of it. It sounds really good. But just like I said, use the Bible as your compass. There's a reason why the Book of Enoch was removed. The Book of Enoch was from the Western canonized faith. It wasn't removed from the oldest ones, like the Ethiopian church, for example, still holds the Book of Enoch and a lot of missing books in the Bible, where, if you start reading that Bible, everything starts making sense. And if you read the Book of Enoch and you read Revelations, it all flows together.
Everything that you hear about the Mark of the Beast, coming deception, the fallen angels returning out of the pit, all of this stuff, it starts making sense. Why Jesus said the last days will look like the days of Noah? Well, what do the days of Noah look like? Well, the days of Noah, you don't know what the days of Noah look like. They said wicked. I mean, we're being wicked right now. God's not sending a flood. We're pretty wicked. Clearly, there was something that provoked God. And actually, what God was doing was saving the human race. But that's a story for another time.
But you don't really understand what's happening until you crack open these books. But your pastors who tell you the Book of Enoch is too fantastical, or there's things that just don't add up. Right? Like, one of the things that a lot of mainstream Christians have a hard time accepting is the fact that Enoch ascended into heaven with God. “No, only Christ can do that.” Really? Only Christ can do that? Christ said anyone can do what he's doing. Christ set the example. “Follow me. Listen to me. This is how you do it.” So clearly, if he believed that others can do it, why can't others do it?
21:52 - The Role of Faith and Corruption in Religion
Guy: This is why you have to be careful with what your pastors say. And they'll twist it, and they'll find everything they can to try to get you to believe the views that they have been conditioned to see. And the reason why they've been conditioned to see this is because there's been, like we spoke about in previous episodes, dark forces have taken over the church. They're tapering the faith, and they're now convincing you to follow this worldview that they're trying to create. And this, what we're seeing right now with the coming deception, will be their grand design to ultimately turn away the faithless from God and damn their souls and minds forever.
Simone: A real easy way to help discern the difference between a corrupted church versus a non-corrupted church would be if the pastor or priest, you know, when this disclosure comes out and everything, you know, the aliens make themselves known… If they start talking about, “Jesus isn't real, the Bible is fake, we were seeded by aliens,” if they buy into that and they start pushing that slop, they're corrupt. They've been corrupted. They've been infiltrated. They are being told what to say.
Guy: I'd go a step further if you really wanna get hardcore. If these pastors keep repeating the narrative, “these people are from another planet,” or whatever. They're not from another planet; these individuals are from here. They're demons and fallen angels. They’re from here.
Simone: That's what I'm saying. If they're like, if they say, “No, no, no, these are not aliens, these are demons and fallen angels,” then they are men of faith. You know what I mean?
Guy: Yeah.
Simone: They don't have their hand out for the highest bidder to push whatever agenda they're being told to push.
Guy: Yeah, sadly, I'm already starting to hear some pastors talk about, “Well, they come from another planet, and the Bible’s view of the world isn’t true.” And I'm like, whoa, hold on. Are you sure you're a man of the Lord? Are you sure?
Simone: How is your faith shook that easily?
Guy: Yeah, so at that point you start to question like, okay, did they buy you or you just your faith’s breaking? Which one is it? Because if they bought you, it means you never had the faith. There's a huge difference between the two. One's an agent, one's just a weak man. So you've got to be careful with who you're talking to and who you're listening to.
Simone: I feel like, though, to be an effective religious leader, you can't be a weak man.
Guy: Not necessarily. Because they put money and attention in the right areas, I mean, we could see people uplifted by social media, by television, by advertisement. So, that's not necessarily true. This is the devil's world. So the devil can uplift whomever they want from obscurity. I mean, this is why we have so many untalented celebrities. People who can't sing a lick, who can't act a lick, but they're famous. So you've got to be careful with that.
Simone: All right. Yeah, I can see that, just ignorant, wanting attention.
Guy: Yeah, the media is a powerful machine.
24:46 - Mysterious Disappearances of Scientists
Simone: All right, well, from there, since we talked about Georgio, the next big thing in the news lately has been missing or unalived scientists that are supposedly all connected to anti-gravity research and whatnot, and supposedly they cracked the code or something on it. They were planning on coming forward, and now all of a sudden they're disappearing or coming up dead. It’s all different. Again, this is something where I'm not sure who to believe. It hit the news pretty hard, and Trump took notice and he was like, we're gonna have the FBI investigate. Then the FBI came back and said there isn't a single shred of evidence that any of these 11 cases are linked or related in any way. Some of them actually worked together in the same lab.
Guy: I'm sure, just like Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide.
Simone: Right. So yeah, again, I don't know. It's really hard to tell the lies from the truth. I think it could be controlled opposition. You know? Spreading these stories and then debunking themselves and you know what I mean? Like they're playing both sides of the narrative. You know? I haven’t done much research on the missing scientists. I’ve seen like the counts are all over the place. The report from the FBI said it was 11 cases. I've heard recently that they're saying that there's like 15, they’re pulling scientists from China, there's a scientist from China who's gone missing. Also, they’re calling attention to scientists that passed away several years ago, and they're lumping them together.
So it's like, I feel like, it's really cool to see internet sleuths come together and, you know, do the research and try to find these things. But at the same time, I kind of feel like not everything means something. You know what I mean? And I think that people are like, “Oh, what about this person, and...” If you're a scientist and you've gone missing or have passed away, you know, 10 years ago, you're linked to this somehow. So it's just take it with a grain of salt. Do your own research. Like I said, I haven’t dug too deep in this because it's in itself a huge ball of yarn to unravel, to dig into, but yeah, I'm sure that something’s going on. With at least a few of them, that there are connections, but I don't think it's on the mass scale that everyone is blowing it out to be.
Guy: Yeah, people tend to run wild with things, but the ones that have died recently, those are definitely eyebrow-raising.
Simone: Yeah.
27:18 - The Dangers of Dealing with the Devil
Guy: So it makes you wonder. And it's probably to protect whatever agenda they have, whatever deception is coming. So, they're closing, they're tying off all loose ends before they launch their whole agenda. That way, no one can say, Hey, I built that and all that stuff. So, they're gonna, I mean, cause the technology has been around since the antediluvian period. They just rediscovered it. So the question is, how are these individuals that have this technology, well, so it's demons, fallen angels, fey, whatever. How are they going to be able to continue to produce it? They need us to do it somehow, some way, shape or form.
So, I have a feeling that's going to be one of the reasons why they're going to become in kind of a benevolence. Because they need to recruit us. They need to recruit us to help. You know, the whole point of them in the beginning, recruiting us peacefully, before things turn to hell in the Book of Enoch, was so that they can enslave us. Was so that they could, you know, rule over us as the ancient gods. Right? So this goes back to why I think they're going to be benevolent. This is all part of the illusion. So the scientists that are being axed, I would say, the reason why that's happening is so that they can keep the deception going.
This brings me to a very important point, guys, don't compromise and deal with the devil. Don't do it. No matter how enticing, how wonderful it seems. Do not sell out because the end result is always death. Physical and spiritual death. Selling out here temporarily, “Oh, you're a scientist, we're gonna give you all the funding, we're gonna give you millions of dollars, we're gonna give you access to all this cool stuff.” Ancient technology wants you to replicate it. And as soon as you're done replicating it, now they axe you. The first rule of dealing with the devil. Dealing with demons.
Simone: Don't deal with demons.
Guy: Don't deal with demons. Don't do it. Okay? That's my advice, because these scientists are all in bed with nefarious figures and now they're all, they've all been unalived.
Simone: So, what do you guys think? What do you think about this situation with the various scientists? Do you think there's something to it? Do you think there is a conspiracy behind it, that somebody is cleaning house, essentially?
Guy: Yeah. Tying up loose ends.
Simone: Yeah. Let us know what you think in the comments below.
Guy: Please let us know. Yeah.
Simone: And then, so I thought this was so funny…
29:29 - Is Steven Greer Controlled Opposition?
Simone: I've said before or hinted around it, but I'll say it flat out right now… I think that Steven Greer is controlled opposition. I don’t trust him, and I know a lot of people, a lot of conspiracy theorists, a lot of people, you know, who follow all this stuff, they really like him and trust him, and take what he says as gospel. And that concerns me.
And I think it's really funny that he went on the news, because people are anticipating since the disclosure happened, literally like this last week, I think it was Thursday, they released the files, some of the files. Steven Greer went on a news network and said that he wrote a speech for Trump to read in his upcoming July 8th speech. So people are anticipating, since they released, or are starting to release UFO documents, that the next speech that he's going to give, like the next time he speaks on July 8th, that he's going to like say, “Aliens are here!” Like, just come out and say it. So this is what they're anticipating. So, due to that anticipation, Steven Greer wrote a speech and gave it to Trump, and was like, “You should say this.” So, I haven't heard the whole thing. I heard like the opening part of it, and I just cracked up laughing. There's no way Trump's going to say it. It was so out there.
I feel like the balls on him, man. Like, he really wants to be front and center of like the disclosure. And there's so many other people who are involved in the movement, but I feel like he's trying to like step up and be like, “I’m the reason all this is happening.”
Guy: Yeah, there's always whoever they're trying to prop up and put in charge of everything.
Simone: He plays a good game, like he tries to say like, “Oh, so many people are coming after me, and they want me, you know, they want to take me down, and they’ve come after me, come after my life.”
Guy: It's like bro, like I, if they wanted you dead, you'd be dead.
Simone: Well, but then he brags about how he has family in Northrop Grumman. They worked at Northrop Grumman and Raytheon, and he's dropping all these government names, government companies, or these companies that are tied and have government contracts. Right? So he's like, “I'm an expert because I have all these connections and I have family in here.” No, you just showed your hand. You're compromised. You're controlled opposition.
Guy: Good catch, yeah.
Simone: They're not… If they wanted you gone, you'd have been gone a long time ago.
Guy: You would’ve been bumped off, buddy. They don't… Let me tell you something, they got some pretty skilled killers. If they want you dead, they have a myriad of ways to do it. They can make it look like an accident, or they could make it look like an accident that wasn't an accident. Or they could just make it look like some brutal gangland style stuff. Or they can make it look like you died of cancer. So they have many ways, or you can just get into a car accident. There are many ways to rub you off, buddy. If they want you dead, you'd be dead.
Simone: My question is if he started his career as a doctor, like I think he was like a surgeon or something.
Guy: Yeah.
Simone: Okay. A doctor… Doctors make good money, but they don't make millions.
Guy: Some do. Depends on what area of expertise you go into.
Simone: I mean, I don't buy it. I don't buy that he has as much, I mean, he has a lot of money right now. He throws money. He's doing all these…
Guy: You think someone's funding him?
Simone: …videos and yeah, I mean, he's like a movie producer. Like he's a director and a producer. He has all these documentaries. But where did he get this money? Sure, some of it was raised, and you know, GoFundMe, whatever.
Guy: Yeah, a lot of the plants are funded very well by the government.
Simone: But those projects that he's doing are extremely expensive. They’re, it‘s not cheap. It's not cheap, and so he's getting money from somewhere. And I'm sorry, but even as a surgeon or whatever kind of doctor he was, he wasn't making enough to do all the things he's doing.
Guy: Yeah. Good point. Maybe he was getting money from outside sources that, I mean, he could be getting it from private parties that are part of the institution, or he could be getting it from the government itself under grants. So yeah, it makes a lot of sense. But definitely, I don't like the guy. He kind of rubs me the wrong way.
Simone: Yeah. He's kind of slimy.
Guy: My magi senses start tingling whenever I hear him speak, and I'm just like…
Simone: I don't know the other guy's name, but there's this other guy who was a pilot. And so he's kind of like Steven Greer 2.0, but I don't consider him, like, on the same level.
Guy: Yeah.
Simone: But Steven Greer has come out and said that that guy is controlled opposition. And I'm like, bro… It doesn't look good if you're trying to point fingers, you know, like you make yourself look more credible by calling somebody else controlled opposition. You know?
Guy: Yeah, we'll see what transpires of all this, but I don't like the guy. I don't trust him. He rubs me the wrong way. I hope I'm wrong. I always hope I'm wrong about people when I give them a negative outlook, but so far, I don't trust anything that comes from that guy.
Simone: Yeah.
Guy: We'll see what the president decides, though.
Simone: The difference between Steven Greer is that he has all these connections with all these companies that hold government contracts. They’re tight with the government, you know? The pilot, he was in the Air Force. He saw things. He saw things while he was flying, and he was told not to talk about these things. So he's more credible, I believe.
Guy: Yeah.
Simone: Being a serviceman, you know, and just taking orders, and…
Guy: A lot of pilots… But he's not the only one; a lot of pilots say the same thing. They see weird things when they're up there.
Simone: But that's why I find him to be more credible…
Guy: Yeah, than Greer.
Simone: …is what I’m saying because he was up there in the skies and he saw stuff and he was told, “Don't talk about it. Don't mention it.” But now he's been out for however long, and he can now legally say these things.
Guy: I think you're right. I think he might be controlled opposition.
Simone: Yeah, I wish I remembered that guy's name, but I mean, if you know who I'm talking about, leave his name in the comments. So let's get to the nitty-gritty, right?
35:47 - Researching UFO Files and Government Transparency
Simone: I went to the website because I saw a lot of stuff already on the internet, on TikTok, on YouTube. People taking clips and stuff and saying this is this and blah blah blah. Okay, I need to go to the source. So I found out the website, and I'm gonna tell you guys, and it'll also be in the show notes. So check out the show notes. I'm gonna have all of the details, all of the stuff that I did the research on, links and whatnot, all in the show notes. So go check it out. The link will be in the description. The website that you're gonna want to go to, where the files are being stored, where you can go and look for yourself, see the, they have PDFs, so they have like actual documents, written documents, they have photos, and they have videos. Go to war.gov/UFO. And there's a few pages of documents.
Simone: At the top of the web page, they have some disclaimers and information. So they have a directive written, and it says, “In response to President Donald J. Trump’s directive for transparency on U.S. government information regarding Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP), the Department of War (DOW), with support from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI), is overseeing government wide efforts to expeditiously find, review, identify, declassify and publicly release unresolved UAP-related records and historical documents in the federal government’s possession. This is an unprecedented, historic undertaking that requires coordination between dozens of agencies and the review of tens of millions of records, many existing only on paper, spanning many decades. Given the scope of this task, the Department of War will be releasing new materials on a rolling basis as they are discovered and declassified, with tranches posted every few weeks.”
Only a few documents have been released. There's like maybe 20 pages, and each page is like, I don't know, maybe 10 items. Not a whole lot. I think somebody said it was like 200 documents or something like that. It's not a lot. But because there's so much, they're gonna roll it out. So keep checking back on the website for more files to be disclosed.
A lot of stuff is redacted, like on the videos, they redacted the specific location, what they were doing there, what they were looking for, because a lot of it is either pilots or satellite video. But I went through all the videos and the photos, and what I found very interesting is that most of the videos were over water. That was really interesting.
Guy: That makes sense.
Simone: Yeah. So, it kind of, some of them kind of looked like they were splashing in the water, like going up and down into the water. Maybe that was just like a trick of the eye. Maybe I was just trying to see something that wasn't there. I don't know. But, there was this one really crazy video. Okay, the file name is DOW-UAP-PR38. So go check it out so that you can see the raw video. And the description of the video is, “The video depicts an area of contrast resembling an eight-pointed star with arms of alternating length.”
Simone: Okay, when I saw that… It was crazy! That was by far the craziest video of all of the stuff that they had.
Guy: Do you know who wasn't surprised? This guy right here.
Simone: I think you weren't surprised at how clear it was?
Guy: I wasn't surprised by the weirdness of it. I wasn't surprised by how clear it was. Anything. But you, let's go ahead and go first.
Simone: So I just wanted to say…
39:32 - Understanding UAPs: From UFOs to Anomalous Phenomena
Simone: We started off with the term UFO, ‘Unidentified Flying Objects.’ Then it was UAP, but it was like, I heard originally it was ‘Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon.’ But now it's ‘Unidentified Anomalous Phenomenon.’ And that makes sense, because most of the videos that I saw, and photos… The objects look like a bright white blob. And they had trails like because they were going so fast that you would see like this weird light trail, like a faded light trail going behind it. They looked like to me, when you have like a security camera or something, and it's in black and white, and you see like bugs flying, that's what it looked like. And I was like, I need to know, it's really hard to tell in the videos, like the scope of the size.
Guy: Yeah.
Simone: Some of the videos, though, would go, because it's over water… Most of them are over water. So it's like, where's the scale? It's really hard to tell like what the size of these things are. I was like, it could be, it could be just orbs. It could be, you know, a trick of the light. It could be a bug. You know what I mean? If these are captured by satellites, you know what I mean? But some of the videos were monitoring ships, like huge carriers. I think there was even one with a submarine that like had come up. It looked like a submarine anyway. And then there were some where it was like just off the coast. So they would pan it, like the camera panned to the land. And so you could see the buildings and stuff. You're like, “Oh, that’s kind of big.” But seeing those bright lit up orbs. Right? That's obviously, it didn't, I didn't see anything that looked like a craft. That looked biological.
Guy: Yeah.
Simone: Right? So that makes sense that they would not call them UFOs. That term is no longer valid.
Guy: Yeah, and a lot of people are irritated. Like, “Why would you change it?” Because they're not looking at it. You're not looking at a craft anymore, buddy.
Simone: Yeah.
Guy: What they saw, especially with what they released recently, I mean, that's not a craft.
Simone: And also, you can't call them aerial either because, yes, they're in the sky, but they're also coming from the water.
Guy: Yeah.
Simone: So they're not just exclusively aerial.
Guy: Some of them are also coming from mountains. A lot of them have been recorded going in and out of mountains.
Simone: Yeah.
Guy: Or slipping into the crevices of the earth and disappearing. So yeah, what are you dealing with?
Simone: I mean, are they going through a mountain? Are they going through a cave system, or are they interdimensional and they're fading in and out between dimensions?
Guy: It could be, or they could be going into the inner earth.
Simone: Well, I, cause we've seen videos where you see them in the sky and then all of a sudden they just blink out. So where did it go?
Guy: That's true, yeah.
Simone: Did it slip through into another dimension?
42:11 - Is Ezekiel’s Wheel a UAP?
Guy: “So what are they?” Is probably what people are wondering.
Simone: Well, when I saw this one, yeah, it clearly looked like an eight-pointed star. But when I saw it, I was like, “That looks like a wheel!” Like with spokes? It was very, very clear, you guys. Very clear. And it made me think of Ezekiel's description of an angel that he saw.
Guy: He saw a couple of angels that day, but, yeah.
Simone: Yeah. And he described it as a wheel with spokes. So, I took the excerpt from the Bible, Ezekiel 10, and he said, “And I looked, and behold, there were four wheels beside the cherubim, one beside each cherub, and the appearance of the wheels was like sparkling beryl. And as for their appearance, the four had the same likeness, as if a wheel were within a wheel. When they went, they went in any of their four directions without turning as they went, but in whatever direction the front wheel faced, the others followed without turning as they went. And their whole body, their rims, and their spokes, their wings, and the wheels were full of eyes all around—the wheels that the four of them had.
Simone: It looks like you're looking at it like kind of like two-dimensional. It's very flat looking, and you just see like these eight protruding… You know? But as I looked at it, I was like, you know what? That could be the four actual wheels. It could be, you know, one, you know, like going across like this, going across like this, and you know what I mean? So instead, it's four wheels instead of eight points. They labeled it as an eight-pointed star, but I think it's actually four wheels and they’re all intertwined. You know what I mean? And that is the angel that Ezekiel described.
Guy: Yeah, he saw thrones and cherubs that day. So, actually, that’s pronounced CHER-uhbz, but I’m going to pronounce it to the Western colloquialism because that's the one people understand.
44:12 - Angelic Encounters and Their Manifestations
Guy: Yeah, it’s what he saw. You're absolutely right. That's what it was. It was an angel. But, you know, we see them, and we perceive them very different. These are beings that transpire the material reality. Cause we would look at them, they come in weird shapes and forms that our minds can't readily comprehend. Right? This isn't what we would assume would be like a carbon-based life form; because it's not. It’s an energetically-based life form that can still materialize on our realm.
Now, these beings are not bound by the same rules that we're bound by. Okay? They’re able to defy the laws of physics that have been set forth on the material plane. So when you look at these entities, and you see them, they look like eyes and light and lines and shapes. They look like they're composed of the sacred geometry, and that's because they are. That's what you're looking at, the raw soul of the individual until they decide to take a form, a shape of some sort. But just like your body, your energetic body and your soul are actually the energy points in sync. That’s what you look like. The Indians talk about it. The ancient Christians spoke about what the soul looks like. It's energy and light in different orbs in sync. This is what it looks like. When magicians are studying energetic points and things like that throughout the body, you start to understand that the body, the physical body, has an underlying body.
So this is what you're seeing when you see these individuals moving around rapidly, and It looks like lines, shapes, stars, wheels, et cetera. This is what you're staring into. They're able to manifest themselves in a manner which is not comprehended by our eyes, our minds, and the tools for surveillance on them. So keep that in mind when you're staring at these things. It's not something that you're gonna be able to readily understand. The pictures… the Thrones, the Virtues, the Primes, all the different hierarchies of angels, there's so many of them, so many different choirs, each of them more bizarre than the next. And their true forms, I say true because they can take whatever form they want, their true forms are what you will probably see in the pictures that have been released. This is what they really look like, down to their true forms, their etheric presence. They can, like I said, manifest here on the material plane.
Simone: Yeah, it was just insane. And I remember you telling me years ago that you believed that the stars in the sky are angels. And it just kind of, the puzzle pieces started falling in place for me, that I was like, this really looked like what we would draw a star. You know what I mean?
Guy: Yeah.
Simone: And the depiction of a star with the points and everything.
46:39 - Weird Things Happening In The Sky
Simone: And the other day I was looking up at the sky, because a lot of weird shit's been happening, story for another day I guess… But like yeah like I hadn't seen the moon in a minute. Like where did the moon go? We weren't having a moon for like a month almost.
Guy: I thought I was the only one that noticed that. Yeah.
Simone: And then when the moon did appear, it was like, the crescent was like this. It looked like a weird Cheshire Cat smily face. You know, just the smile? And I’m like, when has it ever been like that? You know, it's to the side. So it was just really weird, really weird stuff. So I've been watching the skies a lot lately, and I've been seeing really big stars, and I'm like, I don't remember them being that big. You know, they were always like a little, you know, small, small little dots.
But then you look at them, and I'm like, okay, is that a drone? Like, I don't even know. And my husband's like, “Nah, it's gotta be, they're stars. Those are stars.” And I'm like, okay, it just it looks different to me. But I do see them kind of twinkling, and they kind of have little like sun rays type things. And I'm like, it looks like that eight-pointed star that they caught on video. So I'm like, oh, what if they are? What if they are angels, and each star is an angel, you know?
Guy: The Bible describes the heavens as a circuit board. What we're looking at is a giant circuit board, pretty much, of angels that are helping to, they all have their own assigned duties, but they help maintain reality, through God's will. Angels are servants of the Lord. They're expressions of the Lord. So that's one thing that people have to understand. Now there's some that go rogue, and those are the ones that are more closer to the material plane, but there's ones that are up there within the heavens that are able to, you know, they are up there, they're guiding reality and all of that by God's will. Yeah, so it's crazy that they have the same shape as, you know. That's a great correlation that you made there.
Simone: Yeah. If you look really closely, and I don't even have like a telescope, so I'm sure you could see more detail. It kind of makes me want to go out and get a telescope.
Guy: That's why I don’t think that they’re these giant gas bodies that they keep talking about that are trillions of light-years away, or whatever stuff that the mainstream science makes up. I don't believe that at all. I believe the Bible's description for what the world actually is.
Simone: I, you know, just a random memory… I think I was maybe like, I don't know, 9, 10, maybe 12, I don't know. I was something like that, a young teenager. I had my bed up against my window in my room, and I would, you know, I’ve always had like insomnia, so I've never been able to just go to sleep. So I put my bed up against the window, and I would look up out at the sky while I was just, you know, lying there waiting to fall asleep. And one night, I just randomly was looking at one star. It was just one star. There was a bunch of stars. Okay. And there was just one that I was just zoning out and staring at. And I was staring at it for a good 20 minutes, just kind of contemplating life and, you know, just, I guess, meditating as a kid, like without realizing what I was doing. But I was just kind of zoned out, you know? Staring at this one spot, at this one star.
And after 20 minutes, just all of a sudden, it just goes whoop and just drops straight. It doesn't even go slow, it went whoop, like real fast. And I was like, oh my God, what did I just see? Like, I just remember thinking like, that was a falling star. But I was like, when you think of a falling star, you think of like something shooting across the sky. But this like legit just went down. It was, I was staring at it the whole time for 20 minutes. It was just hanging there with the rest of the stars. Didn't look any different than any of the others. And just all of a sudden it dropped. It was so crazy. I don't know what I saw.
Guy: Whatever it is, it's not what science is saying. I'll leave it at that.
50:26 - The Great Deception and Misinformation
Guy: Whatever's happening up there is not what they're telling us. They don't know… They do know, but they're lying. They're trying to get us to create a worldview of something that's not true. Yeah. So those are angels, I believe it. And people are gonna laugh at me, and I don't care at this point.
Simone: And the Bible says that they can take any form.
Guy: They can take any form, yeah.
Simone: So, I mean, they can look like wheels in the sky. They can look like stars. They can look like us. Like I've said, my personal experience, I did have an angel talk to me a few times, and it looked like a person.
Guy: Yeah.
Simone: And I think they've also said, like there's passages in the Bible saying, I am showing myself to you this way so that you're not scared.
Guy: Yeah.
Simone: So what do you guys think? This was a lot that we unpacked today. We didn't get too deep into any of the topics because there was just so much to go over. So, is there anything that you would like us to go in deeper, do a whole episode on specifically?
51:23 - Listener Feedback
Simone: What do you think? What do you think about any of this stuff, any of these topics? What are your thoughts on it? Do you think they're hoaxes? Do you think they're controlled opposition? You know? Any questions you have, anything that you want us to dig into and present our findings on, leave in the comments.
Guy: And prepare for the Great Deception that is coming. They're going to try to, this is a battle for your mind and your soul. They're going to try to pull all the stops to trick you into thinking that the world is something that it's not. So you, and I hate for this to sound cliché, but it's the truth, you are the resistance.
Simone: I think that the most important thing that you can take away from this is take everything that you hear with a grain of salt and do your own research. Don't take anything as fact. There is so much misinformation. So many people just regurgitating what they've heard without even doing their own research. So widely spreading misinformation, unknowingly. Like, not even, I'm not saying they’re malicious in any way, that they're doing it on purpose. I think they're lazy.
Guy: I think people are just…
Simone: This generation, we don't read, we don't take the time to do our own research.
Guy: I also think people are just scared.
Simone: Yeah. Again, I don't want to say like they're maliciously, you know, fear-mongering, but it comes across that way because they're not doing their due diligence and not fact-checking things before they just jump in front of a camera.
Guy: There's a benevolent fear-mongering where they just, “I gotta warn everyone.” That's fine too. But be careful, guys, do research before you run out there and try to tell people what's what, because you can sow fear, like that one headline you brought up earlier in the show. People start selling off their stocks and their livelihoods, thinking it's the end of the world, and it's not.
Simone: Yeah, the world will continue turning. Life will go on.
Guy: Like, share, and subscribe this episode. We don't care if we get credit or not, but the point is to get the message out. Warn people about the coming deception. Let them know those are not aliens from the planet Nibiru or whatever the stuff they're making up, and the science fiction that they've been trying to program into your mind to create the reality that they want so that you end up worshipping… That is not true. None of that's true. The Bible is your compass. They're fallen angels and demons pretending to be aliens, extraterrestrials. And they've done it before, during the antediluvian period that the Book of Enoch warns us about, they're going to do it again. As Jesus said, like as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be in the coming of the Son of man.
Simone: I'm not saying it's demons…
Guy & Simone: …but it's demons.
54:07 Finding Hope in the Second Coming
Simone: And I would like to say, just a reminder, like the Bible says, do not have fear. Do not be afraid. Do not be afraid. Okay? They are trying to make you afraid because these entities feed off of that negative energy, that negative frequency. Do not give them that power. I know it's easier said than done, but at the end of the day, all you can do is live your life, do you, love your family, spend time with them, go about your business. Nothing's going to change. Nothing's going to change
Guy: Well, a lot's going to change. I disagree. I think a lot's going to change. But the humdrum of life is still going to be the same, guys. For you, you still have to make a living, you still have to feed your family, you still have to put a roof over your head, food on the table, pay bills. That's not going to change. Life in that regard is still gonna go on. Even if the fallen angels come down on the White House lawn and say, “Hey, we're here, you should worship us and here's a couple of lies…” You’re still gonna have to pay your bills, you're still gonna have to do everything that's expected of you to survive. So yeah, just get ready for the coming deception.
But here's a good note, I’m gonna end on a positive note: The Bible tells us that we must go through this, these birthing pains, all the machinations of evil. But when it's done, and it will be done sooner than later, Jesus will return, and we will have a golden kingdom of paradise. So be happy because, yes, the bad things are true in the Bible. It's awful. Oh my God, these things are awful. This is what was said would happen and the deception and all of that, but also that means the good things are true, and that Jesus will return and he's going to defeat evil and lead us into a paradise in a new golden age.
Simone: Well said. With that, please remember to like, share, and subscribe, it really helps a lot. If you are on a platform that lets you leave a rating or review, please do so, that helps us a lot. We're trying to spread the message to other people who would find this information useful.
Guy: Gotta build a community, yeah.
Simone: Yep, definitely. So and with that, we will see you next time.
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